Originally Posted by John Carr

I'm not really sure that's an accurate statement. Since this thread is all about numbers, we'll pull some from the APC main page, OF COURSE, not 100% accurate, but close enough;

XJT 4600+ pilots
RAH 3000 pilots
Envoy 2600+ pilots.

Public school math says that's about 10K+ pilots, or roughly over half of the number of regional pilots per this thread and the referenced numbers.

ALL three of those groups voted NO to putting up with lower pay. Whether the sheer hourly amount, or the other ways of soft time, health care premium, DC plan, OJI banks, what have you.

The Pinndeavor scenario is a little hard to pin down. Because, when a company goes into a forced BK to extract cost reductions, what ELSE would they have done? I't NOT really that different than the legacies during their BK's in that regard.

So again, "overwhelmingly" is a bit a misused term to express what you're trying to say.

But total up Pinndeavor, PSA, and PDT. Not really close.



Pre 9/11, this was proven time and time again. On the UAL mid-term ESOP, then contract 2000. As well as NWA, and DAL contract 2001. Although there WERE mainline pilots that DID see the potential of "Pandora's Box" being opened, they were in a minority.

However, 80kts may (or may NOT) agree with this, as I've discussed it with him before. The 50 seaters getting parked IS A GOOD THING. At the higher oil prices, they've become too expensive to operate as compared to the pre 9/11 era, they're getting older and more costly from a MX perspective, passengers HATE them, and the various fleet rationalizations at the merged carriers panning out of larger gage/mainline equipment serving certain markets again, THANK GOD.

However, as much of a bane to the industry (AND the career) that the 50 seat equipment is, what's the bigger threat to the mainline/narrow body job? A 50 seat airplane, or the 70+ seat capacity equipment that was allowed on the most recent contracts? The '"recapture" of the scope so to speak on the contracts was GOOD coming off the "dark decade"/proliferation of the RJ/BK era, but hopefully the trend continues. Whereas UAL/DAL contracts allow for a certain number of large gage RJ's to be flown as a ratio and the "scope choke", it would be nice to see the future CBA's REDUCE those numbers allowed. IOW, MORE jobs going to mainline and LESS jobs at the outsourced regional feed provider.

Besides the retirement numbers accounting for job, but MORE airframes (even though maybe not the heavy/WB) going to mainline. More mainline pilots flying the equipment, on a mainline seniority list, on a mainline contract.