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Old 10-02-2014 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
2000 DAL earnings about $1 Billion
2014 DAL earnings are projected to be about $4 Billion

Is that enough for some 'restoration' to 10 year old pay rates?
Originally Posted by Oberon
Maybe. How does the profit margin in 2014 compare to 2000?
Margins are a percentage of net versus gross, and as such, meaningless to us who are hired labor. Margins are management's concern. All the NMB will care about is how many dollars are we demanding, and how many dollars does our company make. If our company makes a lot more dollars than the dollars we are demanding, the NMB will not consider it unreasonable.

Your continuous attempts to use metrics to persuade for the absolute minimization of pilot costs is harmful.

Originally Posted by Oberon
How does the Delta contract compare in 2014 to it's peers in 2000?
Irrelevant, but even you know that.

Originally Posted by Oberon
I don't understand why you think I'm arguing that we shouldn't get a big number.
You are specifically arguing and working hard for the absolute minimization of pilot costs. That is your objective. Above is just one of many examples. What I don't understand is how you think anyone could miss it?

Originally Posted by Oberon
I think we should.
No you don't Oberon. You want the minimization of pilot costs. We've had a few guys here (mostly newbies) that believe in that because they feel it reduces the chance that they'll be furloughed. It's nothing new unfortunately. Your continuing to deny it is why your credibility is so shot here. You've been told this before and you've ignored it, but I'll say it again...You'd do your credibility some good if you would do more listening and learning.

Originally Posted by Oberon
I just don't think "restoration" is a good argument to get a big number.
See my previous post on that subject.

Carl
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