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Old 10-04-2014 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They have been promising great things from trainer since it was purchased. Virtually every quarter after reporting the loses they state next quarter will be better. They reported a 43 million dollar loss in the second quarter. We have between a 14 c per gallon to 6 cents per gallon advantage on fuel costs in the last reports depending on which airline. What I read stated it was due to hedges not trainer. Regardless trainer has a long way to go to eat up the startup costs.

Edit, the 43 million loss was first quarter, they reported a profit so 13 million second quarter. Here is Anderson's recent statement on fuel cost at Delta. Note the term market in his quote.

"The refinery has made an impact on market fuel prices and we have a solid hedge book in place that should reduce our fuel expense by more than $350mn for the year, including $100mn in the September quarter," chief executive Richard Anderson said during a conference call with analysts.
Sailingfun,

I have a couple questions maybe you can answer. Does Monroe Energy (a subsidiary of Delta) charge Delta Air Lines the "crack spread" to refine a barrel of oil in to aviation fuel? Because Delta owns Monroe, does Delta pay a federal sales tax on the fuel it gets from Monroe? (I've heard no because it's all in one company and you don't have to charge yourself sales tax.)

I'd like to know how these two numbers are accounted for in the overall Delta Air Lines balance sheet before I'd consider Trainer to be a money loser.

Denny