Your comparing Apples to Oranges. 9E had issues because they decided to integrate all their carriers and spend an exuberant amount of money on training 3/4 of their airline on planes they already had, our training for the new airplanes is being paid for by AA. We are not doing that. Not to mention the horrible contracts 9E negotiated to get the Q400's (United Flying). 2 poorly run managerial groups, now on there third...should I go on? The end of pinnacle was caused by a poor financial situation 9E management put themselves in that Delta capitalized on.