Originally Posted by
rickair7777
This is pretty much the truth...no PIC needed for women, certain minorities, and the connected children of legacy employees. I've personally observed multiple data points confirming this first hand in the last few months...so it's still alive and well.
Sad, but true. And like when I agree with your points in another thread, of the last 3 hiring pushes that have taken place at the majors, this is the one that is placing the LEAST value on PIC it would seem.
Originally Posted by
JamesNoBrakes
Yeah, because 95% of the people in the cockpit of a major airline 757 are not two old white guys...
Originally Posted by
JamesNoBrakes
Not sure if you've noticed, but aviation is pretty much just old white guys. I'm not even saying there's anything wrong with hiring practices, I'm just saying that if there were these major pushes to hire only under qualified minorities and women over the last 20 years and if all these minorities without PIC were getting hired, the cockpits would something other than chock-stuffed with old white guys.
True. And diversity is a GOOD THING. However, diversity just for the sake of diversity is NOT.
The FACT is, outside the majority demographic/NW-NM are culled from a much smaller application silo. And YES, they can get a TBNT after interviewing ALSO.
It's ALSO fact that one can get hired without TPIC and do JUST FINE. However, for RIGHT HERE and RIGHT NOW, the majority of those in new hire class at (insert legacy here) have it. Those without it make of a small sample of the demographic of the new hire group. Strange, I have more than one friend hired recently at the "big three". In their classes (at least), they were in the average of the civilian experience range of the group. They ALL had over 10K TT, with over half of the that TPIC time. EVERYONE in the class had been a CA/AC commander. One was in their mid 30's with the mentioned flight times, and was the YOUNGEST in their new hire class. However, the class before theirs wasn't the same, nor was the one after. But the point still stands.
For RIGHT HERE, and RIGHT NOW, the legacies are a ways off from just "cold calling" pilots en masse that don't TPIC time.
To the OP, get hired, get your time to meet the mins of where you're applying. If upgrade is too far off, start improving your resume in other ways if you can. Take on a ground/FTD instructor position if you can. Or, a position on a safety committee, whatever. And as always, NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK!!!!!
And I KNOW I'll take flame for this. And it'll FOR SURE come from someone that has NEVER been a CA/AC. Being a CA previously makes one a better FO when they move on.