Originally Posted by gloopy

If that's true, we're set up for significant gains IMO. Just getting the insane old Airways pay rates off the table, much less replaced with something higher than we have now, sets us up for significantly more than 4/8/3/3.

I'm far more concerned with what some may expect us to have to "give up" to get whatever we end up seeing in any TA. If AA exceeded our pay by 5% and did it with a higher B fund percentage, higher vacation and other credits, and didn't sell scope to get anything, we should be able to pattern bargain significantly higher in all areas than where we are now without "paying for it" ourselves.