Originally Posted by
Nevets
It's ok, many pilots at LXJT don't know we have a B fund either (a quick check of APC will confirm it). Unless they gave theirs up recently, they still have it. And I know PDT has theirs. And I think Horizon has a B fund also. But even if they didn't, why is it ok with you that another pilot group take a concession by giving that up? You should be demanding all our good things like we demand your good things. Or are you ok with me telling you that you need to give away vacation low and your rigs?
The fact of the matter is that neither side wants a concession. That's a good thing! We knew that voting no, and not agreeing to concessions, meant a static fleet plan (at least on the erj side). So with those facts on the table, what's wrong with neither said taking a concession, whether that's through a new TA or status quo? That's my solution and from the sounds of some of your guys, management is happy with that. Oh well, I hope everyone has a plan b, at least the ERJ guys.
So go check your credibility now.
Unfortunately, you didn't actually provide a solution. You have a couple of ideas, but no solution. A solution is "a means of solving a problem or dealing with a difficult situation." I don't see anything like that in your post.
For the record, I didn't say I wanted concessions. I have never said that. However, having spent a long time in business I understand that the term 'negotiate' means give and take on both sides. That being the case, if we can 'negotiate' a TA that provides better QOL for 90 percent of the pilot group and better pay (w2 pay, not pay rates) for 90% of the pilot group while utilizing the exact same benefits and work rules for all of us, I would vote for it, even if we lost OJI, Vacation low and some other outliers. That doesn't mean I want to give up anything. It does mean I am willing to look at the entire picture without getting hung up on one single issue.
As far as Vacation Low is concerned, I think it is one of the dumbest things a management team could ever agree to. It costs too much for no real return on investment. Do I like it? Absolutely. Do I use it? Of course. Is it a good idea for long term sustainability? No, which is probably why nobody else has it. Will I vote for a contract that changes it significantly? Yes, as long as the overall contract is better for most of us, and treats us all the same.