I'm surprised by your take. Adjusted for inflation C97 had better pay rates and retirement, more schedule flexibility and better scope. IOW, you made more money, had more time to enjoy it and your job was better protected under C97. If you're comparing it to the rest of the industry in 2000, I'd agree it was lacking in everything but scope, but I'd take it over today's UPA. As far as our openers in 09, I remember them vastly differently than you do. Not banging on anyone for voting one way or another as the UPA is a light year ahead of what either legacy had at MAD and it's all water under the bridge anyway, but I don't see it the way you do.