Originally Posted by
skypilot35
Alright Union Guy (that should be your screen name). Get us one regional seniority list. You do that, Im in.
I know one thing that is 100% for sure: without all regionals being union, it won't ever happen. So I'm definitely not holding my breath on that.
Originally Posted by
ClickClickBoom
While I am pro Union, his position pushes more people away than he draws. Having a CBA is important, but it is not a guarantee of anything. Binding arbitration, is only as good as your arbitrator, and the side that picks last has the advantage. Final note Trans States is ALPA, how many MEC chairs have they fired? Not from the MEC but from their jobs? The "Fly it and Greive it" cry is not very comforting and isn't much different than Skywests just "do it or else" cry. Yeah Skywest terminates about 10x more pilots than any other carrier, what's your point? Proof, if they don't want you, you will be gone one way or another. I will say, it's pretty easy to not get fired, do your job, don't steal, don't lie, and don't post on Instagram. I am still there, boom!
You can use me as an excuse why you get pushed away. But if you do use that excuse, it's just that, an excuse. Because being pro union never comes down to liking the person who is giving you factual information. Either you agree or don't.
Next, I've been saying all along that being union is more than about a CBA. It's a lot more than a CBA and I've even said that it's not even at top of my list.
As for arbitrators, it doesn't matter who picks last. He is a neutral third party that has no dog in the fight he is ruling on. So that is just bs excuse for the loser of the case.
Also, yes TSA have fired union reps but imagine how many more they would've fired without a union, without impunity, without the hassle? It would probably be more than twice as many as Skywest fires seeing how their management operates. The fly now grieve later has worked for me a number of times. If you have a case, you get made whole later while the company gets to operate the flight. It doesn't get swept under the rug or get forgotten. There is a process and the company cannot ignore it. If you lose your grievance, you probably didn't have a case to begin with.
Lastly, yes it's true that if they want to fire you, they will, even at union places. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Because those are the guys that deserve it. Those are the guys that don't ever get their job back and lose their arbitration (unlike the TSA guys). That's a good thing.