Originally Posted by
pilot64golfer
Which is part of the problem. We have guys that say "Get that flying now and we will deal with payrates etc later" and then we have guys complaining that the E-190 pay rates are too low and how we screwed that up.
So which is it? We aren't going to have it both ways. I see the problem being that we are still below C2000 payrates, and this does not even take into account inflation. Fix that first, then deal with E-175 being on the property.
The idea of the E175 coming on property is slim to nun. I think the answer is to get the 90 seaters first then go after pay rates. You do pay first then the economics favor them not adding the fleet type to the company. Having higher payrates does nothing but make the margins on the 90 look worse. So when you add that up with the cost of a new fleet type the return is distant. Once you are operating the fleet and have all the start up costs paid down the increase in crew cost is easier to add into the operation. The increase can be some what offset by the efficiency of scale of the larger fleet. What is your thought process as to how doing the rates first will get the flying in-sourced quicker?
Even the E190 is looking less and less likely based on HA's weekly message. He basically said they only looking at used aircraft types that we already operate. Sounds like the two -700s are coming from Copa which is getting rid of 17 737-700s over the next few years.