Originally Posted by
Grumble
Cardio, I don't think anyone will disagree with your premise that an operation of this magnitude, with this much risk, on the cutting edge of something this revolutionary should be taking care of the people hanging it out there. I seriously doubt that RB won't personally see to it that his family is well cared for. I also agree that the perception of asking for donations can rub people the wrong way, but they may also just be putting in place an avenue for those that wish to donate to do so with no other motive or attempt to shed responsibility.
That said, it's obvious that 8 may have some personal involvement with this accident and thus some emotion. Your comments, this soon after an accident like this (or any accident) violate a basic tenant of professional pilot decorum. As near as I can tell from your posts, you're an aviation hobbyist in the company of guys that live and breath this stuff, some for decades. It's a small community and odds are good guys on this board know those involved. To make accusations while the wreckage is still smoking is like pouring salt in the wound, especially for guys here that may have emotional involvement. I'm not saying it can't be discussed (in the pursuit of safety it must be once the facts are out), but try and use a little more tact in the timing. When the facts come to light, and those involved have come down from the emotional trauma of an event like this, only then should discussions like this be broached... and not before those involved have opened that door.
Well said, and I fully understand and agree. Obviously out-group bias coupled with urge to lash out and blame, protect the in-group, perceived "attacks" etc etc.
If you recall, in the previous discussion (not sure you were part) I didn't mind the online begging affair. I think it is fully within people's rights to set up webpages like that, and i donated quite generously (alas, before "DC-8driver" was rude and extremely disrespectful).
I just don't think having a little fundraiser right afterward is what we should rely on, and more to erase latent guilt. Like people who volunteer for a day at a soup kitchen on a holiday and mug it up for the camera. Yeah, great you do that. It is. But what happens the other 364 days?
Regarding perceived attacks, there is an urge for doctors to do the same thing "ooh how dare you criticize us, you're not a doctor so be quiet." There is a fine line between critical inquiry, which needs to be done, and deference. Nuance will be lost on some.
"Aviation hobbyist" or not, we all share the same airspace. I doubt most of you guys are test pilots with their risk of mishap. I'd wager I fly more monthly hours currently than a lot of pros. Statistically my risk of death is much higher than yours. If I ever ultimately buy the farm, lady cardiomd won't ask for any donations because I am responsible and have set up for them to be very well taken care of.
Obviously also I don't have a lot of the same pressures that a pro would have, but getting influencers outside of your industry to advocate for aviation professionals would be a great thing for the industry. Individuals and responses like DC8DRIVER (do any carriers still fly DC8?) will just make me throw up my hands and say "f- it." Enjoy your regional pay and follow that magenta line. Set up more begging accounts and worship that corporation that screws you over.
Hope readers understand these points of view, and safe flying.