It's a lie. The watch maker sets the terms, and you lie to get what you want. Anything you do is in front of God. Simply because a judge isn't watching doesn't change the fact; you're lying. You're being dishonest. You're advocating a lie. Dress it up, make it pretty, it's still a lie. You advocate lying, and in this thread, you advocate dishonesty to an employer. You advocate lying to an employer as part of the negotiation of being hired. You believe lying if it benefits your best interests, lying is acceptable, as you have demonstrated.

Either you are lying about your beliefs and thus misrepresenting them, or you actually believe this garbage, in which case you are a dishonest person. On the one hand you are dishonest for presenting a false point of view, or on the other you are dishonest if you really believe lying is the best course of action to take. There is no upside to your position here, and as a moderator and poster (and "professional," you have no place advocating lying to an employer during the interview/application process, or at any other time).

My wife and I discussed your "analogy" here this evening, and her response was "clearly not a christian" and that you came across as a young man used to doing what it takes to get what he wants, with no qualms about being dishonest to get it. That was my impression, too.

I seldom meet people who openly advocate dishonesty as you do here. I meet a lot of people who act dishonestly, but who are at least ashamed enough or concerned enough about getting caught that they try to be discreet.

Regarding your watch "analogy," should a merchant tell me he will sell me the watch for what I have in my pocket, I will tell him either A) I have two thousand but am not willing to pay that for the watch (here's my counter offer), or B) I'm not interested, have a nice day. What I will not do is lie to get what I want. Again, it's dishonest. Either you lie by telling him that you've only got eleven hundred, or you lie by omission by failing to disclose the rest; the bargain was that he would sell it to you for what you've got, and you're cheating him by concealing what you've got. It's a lie, no matter how you slice it, and yes, a bald faced one at that.

You seem to think that because a judge isn't looking, it's okay. Integrity is who you are when no one is looking. Would a sworn statement in front of a judge be any different? It's either true or not true, and if it's not true, then it's a lie. It's a lie. You're advocating lying, and you continue to sprout examples advocating lying. This is not something done by an honest person.

This is the same reason that employers have training contracts; pilots who take the job and run with after getting the expensive training. Dishonest pilots lacking integrity or honor do this, lowering the bar for everyone. Same thing; it's dishonesty. So is lying about a letter of warning, when asked. It's the reason we have PRIA, ironically; employees who move on and don't disclose their past. PRIA is about exposing such employees, and mandating employer participation.

You've provided no "facts," yet supported my original statements and references.

You've provided nothing whatsoever showing that asking about a warning letter is "illegal."

You've provided nothing whatsoever showing that requiring a prospective new-hire to provide documentation about a warning letter to be "illegal."

You've certainly provided nothing to support your assertion that one should lie to an employer, though it's very clear you're willing to do whatever it takes to get what you want. Honesty is clearly no object for you.

Quite so. Well said.