Originally Posted by publicphone

One of our MEC members is stating that the reason there is no TA is because management refuses to place a better flow or substantial fleet plan on the table. I'm not sure what negotiations he is watching, maybe it is the APFA flight attendants, but AA and Envoy management are offering a minimum flow of 30 per month and 360 per year. I may not be a math genius but 30 per month and 360 per year MINIMUM is greater than 20 per month and 240 per year. If our MEC had shared management's proposal with you, you would already know that.

With reference to a "substantial fleet plan," you may recall that a year ago, management offered a minimum fleet plan of 170 aircraft (2 times higher than the only other fleet plan in the regional industry) but Envoy pilots rejected it after the MEC told us the pilot shortage would cause management to come crawling back to the table. In reality, management went out and placed 40 of our aircraft at cheaper regionals and is now back offering us the remaining 130. Hard to offer a fleet plan greater than the orders and options you have on the table and don't forget that we're the ones that turned down the fleet plan.

What the MEC is not telling you, is that they have been told that there is a deadline coming up and if the Envoy pilots don't ratify a deal in short order, more of the remaining orders are already slated to go to another carrier.

So while the gentleman from New York is telling you that management isn't offering an enhanced flow (untrue) and a substantial fleet plan (management is offering us the remaining orders and options), the truth is that we are heading toward a cliff and no one on the MEC feels that it is appropriate to tell you the truth.

Some of you claim that I am a management spy, which is not true. I am just an average line pilot with his ear to the ground. But regardless of what you believe I am, the truth is that the MEC is playing games and hiding facts from the pilots whose jobs are on the line. You might want to ask "why"?