Originally Posted by
eaglefly
That's essentially what's occurring. Managements initial proposal is referred to as an "initial" proposal. Who did that ? Look, we know you couldn't care less about scope or any of the other issues potentially negatively impacting large segments of pilots and advocate pilots taking what they might get now, but the proposal is a scam as is.
There's a difference between pay rates and pay
raises.
The rates in that proposal have all kinds of equalizers like insurance taxes and longer duration to spread out the cost (as well as neuter any chance of considering additional contract pay adjustments at DAL and UAL that the MOU does) which make it almost as cost neutral for management as the MOU provisions and they don't get scope.
Going to have to be some SIGNIFICANT "tweaking" there. Oops !
I used the S word.
Jerry doesn't like that word.
This is a seniority thread BTW.
At one time I DID care about scope. I even stood on the same ground you did...at ONE TIME. But that was a time when US Airways and American didn't have wholy owned airlines or code sharing agreements. That was negotiated away years ago. Now it's really just nothing more than an echo of buyers remorse. Look, you say the majority of pilots have NO PRICE for scope. Well see about that but I simply say the numbers will prove you wrong...in the long run. Just like it did with scope (whatever is left of it).
If I HAD my druthers, if EVERY SINGLE PILOT AT EVERY SINGLE CARRIER would COMMIT to voting in contracts that they would hire ALL commuter pilots by their ORIGINAL DATE OF HIRE if they were offered the position to mainline (with the option of deferring with their own knowledge that they would get bypassed on their seniority if they didn't take the offer) I would be the FIRST to STAND IN LINE AND SUPPORT IT.
In the REAL WORLD the reasons Comair and Envoy are getting what they got or ARE getting is that pilots are bidding to top the other guys. If things aren't so great here at the mainline why in God's green earth are you still here?
You guys sound like you had it better at the commuter! So what the heck are you doing here?