Originally Posted by
rickair7777
No.
142 training centers are not what we're talking about here, they are something else (usually training for large turbine-powered aircraft).
141 schools can do checkrides in one of three ways:
141 Final Stage check with in-house examiner (no pink slip). This has become less common because the FAA has become very conservative with regards to issuing in-house authority.
141 Final Stage check with DPE/Fed (no pink slip...in theory). There "should" be no pink slip here, because it's a 141 course completion, simply conducted by an outside examiner. But I have seen MANY DPEs confused on this point, who believe they need to issue a pink slip which is neither correct nor necessary.
61 Checkride. If the student meets 61 minimums before completing the 141 syllabus, and is ready he can always get a CFI signoff and take a normal 61 checkride with any DPE/Fed to save money. But this does NOT technically complete the 141 course, so if you need that for some rweason (ie reduced ATP mins) you'd better stick to 141.
There are a few (2 still in operation, if I recall correctly) part 142 GA flight schools (i.e. not turbine/large aircraft training centers) as I mentioned these were granted due to a loophole that the FAA has since closed.
You are correct, in that there are some part 141 schools that do have examining authority (I had missed that part).
However, unless the rules have recently changed, 141 flight schools that do not have in house examiners can not count a failed check ride as a training event. A 141 course completion and a check ride are two completely different things. In my opinion, I think the following references pretty clearly excludes schools without examination authority.
§141.73 Privileges.
(b) A pilot school that holds examining authority for an approved training course may recommend a graduate of that course for the issuance of an appropriate pilot, flight instructor, or ground instructor certificate and rating, without taking an FAA knowledge test or practical test, provided the training course has been approved and meets the minimum ground and flight training time requirements of this part.
§141.77 Limitations.
(a) The holder of a pilot school certificate or a provisional pilot school certificate may not issue a graduation certificate to a student, or recommend a student for a pilot certificate or rating, unless the student has:
(1) Completed the training specified in the pilot school's course of training; and
(2) Passed the required final tests.