Amen. some thought they were going to be hired by Continental Express, then 9/11. They waited another 3 yrs and had the rug pulled out from under them, flow cancelled and CE become XJT. Then SARS, age 65, etc. So 2001 until now. Of course they made regional cpt in 2005, so that helped, but no mainline jobs available from 2001 until 2014. Those hired from 2004-2006, could upgrade in 2 yrs, after that, stagnation of 6,7,8 yrs.