Originally Posted by
KiloAlpha
I've been doing a 90 minute call out in one of the worst traffic areas in the country. ****ing and moaning about a 2 hour call out seems silly. It's short call for a reason.
Originally Posted by
CanoePilot
the callout is broken, people abuse it constantly. You can't tell me that there is any reason to take 3 hours to get to the airport unless you are out of base. People are sitting reserve out of base and trying to game the system. If you live in base 2 hours is more than enough time. Going to 2 hours may be a minor concession but it's one i'm willing to make for 50 grand.
Originally Posted by
CanoePilot
Every airline I've ever worked at has had a two hour rule and it worked perfectly. Why here all of a sudden it's like the worst idea ever?
We're going from 90 mins to 2 hours.
As has been pointed out, largely to no avail, we would not be going from 90 minutes to 2 hours, as there is a huge disparity between "callout time" and "normal driving time to the airport". That said, no matter how much experience anybody has with a 2 hour callout at other airlines (my regional, in fact, had callout times as low as 75 minutes, depending on the base!), the reason it's not the worst idea ever is that both AA and US have fought for years to maintain more liberal, vague language, and it's not something that should be given up so easily. Canoe may be willing to give that up for "50 grand," but, even assuming that number is valid, I'm not willing to sell it so cheaply. I have 30+years left here. Hopefully, most of them won't be on reserve, but you never know. I'm not willing to give up that concession for, using your numbers, less than $2000/year.
Originally Posted by
CaptainBigWood
I have seen a lot of promises from the Airlines over the years.
A DB plan promising 60% of FAE for life, with the mighty ALPA monitoring the plan.
LOA 93 that ends at the end of 2009 with 3% raises.
All it is going to take to lock you into 2015 pay rates for years is a major world event that hurts the Airlines. We will get parked in Arbitration for years
911
Ebola
War
Greed always makes you poorer.
Greed hurt East vrs. West with DOH vrs. NIC
If Delta gets $300 per hour, Parker will figure out a way not to pay.
Good point... "Greed always makes you poorer." Perhaps we should not be so hasty to act in greed to take higher payrates now, if the trade off will leave us far poorer in QoL for decades to come.
Originally Posted by
texaspilot76
No - a vote is not required to make it official. Welcome to the APA! The BOD has the discretion to approve, reject, or send for member ratification any TA. The impression I've gotten from most of the communication put out has been is that this will most likely be sent out for ratification, if the BOD determines that the deal is worth voting for.
Originally Posted by
texaspilot76
Having a select union board decide our fates among themselves is not acceptable. They need to put an agreement out for a vote. If it is not acceptable by the majority, then it will be voted down. My point is, they need to get the best agreement possible, then put it out for a vote to let us decide for ourselves, not them. It shouldnt be just their choice to go to arbitration.
I don't really like the idea of the BoD approving a contract without member ratification, but I absolutely believe that they should have the authority to keep a sub-standard agreement from ever being presented to the pilots. If we go to arbitration, it won'tbe "just their choice;" rather, it will be the choice of the pilot group, which agreed to go to arbitration if we are unable to reach acceptable terms in negotiations.