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Old 11-28-2014 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl, the teeth has always been the grievance process.
No sailingfun, the teeth is in the language. This language should have the ability to continue the JV based on the monthly maintenance of the agreed to percentages. No percentages, the JV must immediately end. If the company continues it anyway, that's not a grievance, that's a change to the status quo and all that brings.

At the very least, it would make for an easy win on an expedited grievance...not for monetary penalty, but the operational ending of a job killer. Of course none of that is possible when our negotiators PURPOSELY avoid that protective language in favor of pleasing our management partners.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
It looks like the company will be very close to compliance on the current JV. We should have operated 48.5% of the EASK and it looks like we will come in around 47.8. The company is currently in compliance going forward. I fully expect my union to file a grievance on 1APR when the company is out of compliance.
You're making those numbers up entirely. You have no idea.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
If you built some penalty into the process and the company refused to comply with the penalty what then is your option? The grievance process.
See above.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
I suspect we tried to get some known penalty and the company refused.
That's when you walk away from negotiations then. That is unless you're one of these hopelessly overmatched dupes on our side. Then you just do what you're told...then call it negotiations.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Would it then have been better to stay with what we currently have?
Yes. Operate in strict compliance with our Scope. But the fact you even ask this question betrays the fact that you can never find any reason to EVER deny a management request...for all the reasons you list above. It'd be OK if it was just you, but we have far too many pilots here who share your level of...strength.

Carl
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