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Old 12-10-2014 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I honestly don't know. I would guess that the countries in question are committed to diversifying away from oil, and this only motivates them more. It does take a little bit of their advantage in having very new, fuel-efficient aircraft.

Also, I don't really understand the nature of their advantage in fuel costs in and of itself. Is it greatest when oil is cheap, or expensive? Do they refine enough in-country? Do they tanker fuel a lot?

Then there are economic conditions: since I don't know how much of an advantage they might have in oil/regulatory/labor, I don't know whether they get squeezed proportionately more than others, when economies are bad throughout the world. They're mostly set-up to carry people between Europe and Asia. If Europe is weak, the Euro is weak, Asia is OK, and their own oil revenues are down, I guess they become very, very eager to tap into our market, where the economy would be better, and the $ is going up.

I'm guessing that with a huge amount of orders, weakening local revenues, the ME carriers got bat-$hit crazy, and flood the trans-Atlantic with seats. They haven't shown any restraint in pushing their regulatory and geographic advantages. Until they really start really bleeding their owners' money, they won't stop. I don't know if we can afford to subsidize our international with healthy domestic, faster than they can subsidize their international with diminishing oil revenues. I doubt our BOD would let us try that game anyway.

What I'm really trying to say is: I have no idea.


Different OPEC members need different fuel prices to fund their one trick pony economies. Off the top of my head I believe the ones most dependent on high fuel prices to get by are Libya, Venezuela, Iran.

Can you see a trend here? Well run economies? I think not. They want to cut back on production to raise the price. Actually, they want Saudi Arabia to cut back so the price will rise.

These countries can't see past next year and would have oil go to $200/barrel if it was in their power. The Saudi's are more sophisticated and also have the most proven reserves. They know that extended high prices will drive innovation and perhaps accelerate oil alternatives.

With hundreds of years of oil in the ground the Saudi's have a strong interest in keeping as many countries as possible dependent on oil for as long as possible.

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