Originally Posted by
SnoJet440
This TA is worse than the rejected TA in every possible way.
Flow through: Rejected TA first 30 every month; minimum 360 a year.
Current TA; 50% or 30 whichever is less; 220 a year.
Profit Sharing: Rejected TA elimination of profit sharing was subject to the same concession by all other AE employess. Current TA has no such stipulation, it just gives up profit sharing.
PBS: Rejected TA pushed any obligation to ratify PBS until the 61st 175 delivery. This placed a financial incentive on the company to place the options here. Current TA delays PBS until the delivery of the 40th 175, thereby removing the incentive to place the options here.
I could go on, but you get the idea. How does this TA become endorsed by the MEC? It is a worse deal than what was rejected by a majority of our pilots and this MEC endorses it!!??
Is $12,500 enough to buy a sucker?
Flow is not how you put it
Current TA
824 Flow Through
If AA is hiring pilots, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no less than 20 per month, shall go to Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.
Effective with the delivery of the first EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming 824 Envoy pilots have not flowed through to AA at that time, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no less than 30 per month (subject to the 50%), shall go to Envoy pilots until a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA.
“Protected Pilots” Hired By Envoy On or Before October 11, 2011
After a total of 824 Envoy pilots have flowed through to AA, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no less than 25 per month, shall go to Envoy pilots who were placed on the Envoy master seniority list on or before October 11, 2011.
Effective with the delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D, and assuming there are still pilots who were added to the master seniority before October 11, 2011 who have not yet been offered a flow through opportunity, 50% of all AA new hire training slots, no less than 25 per month, shall go to such Envoy pilots, until the point in time when the next pilot on the seniority list to be offered a flow through opportunity was hired after October 11, 2011.
Pilots Hired By Envoy After October 11, 2011
At the point in time when the first pilot hired after October 11, 2011 is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, 35% of all AA new hire training slots, no less than 15 per month, shall go to Envoy pilots. Pilots Hired After DOS
At the point in time when the first pilot hired on or after DOS is offered a flow through opportunity, if AA is hiring pilots, the lesser of (a) 25% of all AA new hire training slots in that calendar year, or (b) five new hire training slots (increased by one for every 125 pilots above the base number of 480 on the Envoy seniority list) times (“x”) the number of calendar months in that calendar year in which AA actually hired pilots, shall go to Envoy pilots.
PBS is more like you said
The provisions of Letter 13-04 (“Preferential Bidding System”) will be deemed suspended until delivery of the 40th EMB-175 as set forth in Appendix D. The suspension of Letter 13-04 will end on the date that the 40th EMB-175 is delivered, and within 30 days after such delivery, the PBS Working Group will re-commence the process of negotiating and finalizing a PBS LOA pursuant to the requirements of Letter 13-04. It is the parties' intent to complete PBS implementation as outlined in Letter 13-04 no later than 120 days after delivery of the 41st EMB-175.
Bottom line, we definitely have had better deals in the past. It's the pilots and the unions fault for not voting yes on those in the past, but now we will vote yes on this to save our ass. I don't think the union and the no voters thought anyone else could staff the flying. Looks like they could.