Originally Posted by
CLT Guy
Envoy never had any power in these negotiations. If PSA and PDT had voted no, they would have been shut down and their airplanes given to MESA. It would have been the warning to Envoy.
AAG is going to get what they want. If you had been smart and taken the first deal, things would have been much better for you.
This new contract truly brings the industry to a new low with a new B-scale contract. You should be ashamed if you think that what Envoy has done so far has been noble or helped the industry in any way. It has hurt it more, and is in a far worse state than when you started.
Envoy did have power! But Parker took it away. PSA tried to show some balls by declining not to take 900's when Parker first offered them. He wanted PSA to fly them at a blended rate. PSA people called his bluff and said go to hell. Parker simply called Ornstien and said can you fly 900's for xxx.xx. Sure I can he told Parker. Parker sends the 900's to Mesa and the PSA Pilots thinking they'd taken a stand are there with mouths open wondering how he could've done that to us.
Fast forward and now PSA is offered the same deal. A deal that has a threat of maybe more to Mesa or even worse to the red headed step kid of Piedmont Airlines. This time they don't call the bluff and take the deal. Envoy with it leverage votes "no" and Parker now starts to shrink Envoy. Enter the other wholly owned. The Red Headed Step Kid "Piedmont Airlines and it's the dying row boat floating all alone ready to grab any scraps just to be around for 10 more years. We would've jumped on PSA's deal to to live another day that's how bad we saw our future. You can't shrink us, don't even have to shut us down. That was already happening. Parker coming to us was like an angel with a defibrillator. So we we're a sure yes vote. No doubt! Senior Dying Airline with a 25 year old fleet and a company that couldn't keep or get people too. We were the perfect pawn in the chess game against Envoy.
Now Envoy having been shrunk looks like Piedmont did last year. No future, old fleet and a senior pilot group. They got us by the balls. I blame ALPA for much of this. They let these games be played out without ever jumping in to make sure every Airline made them equal in pay and workrules or even better.
I watched ALPA play ALG/PSA/PDT like a fiddle and it continues today. Look at what's going on now. ALPA and AAG negotiating two separate deals for the exact same airplanes?" Really????
It's a big club! And the regional Pilots aren't in it. Envoy vote how you must. Even if you vote NO it won't matter. You'll shrink and be merged and forgotten. Vote yes and you'll still shrink but have nice shiny E-175's to fly until you flow. Choice is yours and nobody else's.