It wasn't unrealistic expectations. The Envoy guys/gals were asked to take concessions AFTER they had already given concessions in bankruptcy from a company that is making bucketfuls of money. The Envoy pilots told them twice NO, knowing full well that their airline might be sacrificed by their votes.

I do believe you are correct in that perhaps they would have been better off saying yes the first time around *IF* they're going to make a 180 and suddenly vote yes on this TA- hindsight is certainly 20/20. What is confusing to me is that there appeared to be a he11 no slant on these Envoy threads to the first two TAs, but now there's more hesitation with this new TA. If a group is going to take a "burn it down" mentality, you gotta follow through I think. Otherwise, why not just say yes the first time around and save everyone some pain? Doesn't make sense. That's why I was asking a bunch of posts back what's changed with this new TA. I thought they got some sort of sweetener that was making the castor oil taste better.

Stepping back and observing the big picture, is there any wonder why young people don't want to enter this profession?