I'm literally paying for my turbine PIC and undercutting other airlines which is how Trans States got all those jets and Envoy guys are out on the street.[/QUOTE]

Envoy's management is why Trans States AND EXPRESSJET are now doing Envoy's flying with their planes. If guys are loosing their jobs over there as a result of this acquisition, they should look up at their own management. And honestly, they should make the lateral move to get their PIC time with TSA's CQFO program, because certainly, they wouldn't be taking a 40k/year paycut. It sounds like you're fighting someone elses fight anyways. I understand you're reasoning for staying put, but if someone doesn't like a situation they're in, do something about it.[/QUOTE]

That's not as easy as some make it out to be. We work in a unionized, seniority based industry. There is a limit to what you can do to control your destiny here. When I was in engineering, it was easy. All my skills were transferable. That doesn't happen in this industry.