Originally Posted by
dfwflyboy
Just out of curiosity. F9 guys and gals, do you think a better contract will come after snapback in 2017? There's eventually got to be equal pay for type. Average A320 pay tops out 180-200.
Dost thou have faith?!
I think it all depends on the pilot group and our willingness and ability to strike if it comes down to that.
Our current ownership is a bunch of ruthless businessmen. They place somewhere between 'very little' and 'zero' value on employee morale. They have shown a willingness to pinch pennies like nobody I've ever seen. I can't imagine they won't take negotiations down to the wire when the time comes.
Historically and overall, right or wrong, the F9 pilot group has considered itself partners with management in the success and continued existence of the airline. Historically, we have believed management's pitch that if we don't work for less the airline won't survive.
If the same group of people persuade the pilot group to believe what will no doubt be a strong Company sales pitch during the next contract negotiations, then, NO, things won't get better. We'll continue to work for less than market rates.
The billion dollar question in the next contract negotiation will be whether or not the same group of people will have the persuasive might to influence the outcome. Much of the old guard is now as ****ed off as the newer (6-10 year) folks. Some of the old persuasive folks from contract 2005 will have retired by 2016-2017. The old "I'd do this job for half what they pay me" mentality will be diluted by the new hires (between now and 2016 probably 50% of the group) that have mainline carrier earnings expectations.
There are tons of variables and nobody really knows which will carry the day. You pays your money and takes your chances.
I'm really hoping that we don't turn into a regional-esqe carrier who happens to fly narrow body aircraft. The kind of place where the only reason anybody comes is because there's hope of a quick upgrade and the only reason anybody stays is that they haven't been hired by a better carrier… yet.