The sad part with all this is to see how this management team negotiates and no one will take notes. Every day I hear guys say Eagle was taking a beating for not voting in concessions. When the bankruptcy was announced, management announced fleet reduction before growth. That was long before these negotiations started and was during the 1113 process. Seems that the group and alpa some how forgot that little fact. Management just kept sending the same garbage waiting for people to bite on it. Pretty sad. Especially when it's the same tactic being used at mainline. A little bit of self education and research would shine a lot of light on the sequence of everything. Second sad part is that the alpa reps in charge now were around from the beginning of the mess. They knew what was scheduled to happen as well from the beginning. Never once did I hear any of this mentioned. All this management team does is send the same garbage back across the table and say take it or you're done. That lasted for a time frame of around a YEAR at Eagle. Mainline is just being threatened with arbitration instead of shutting down while the industry doesn't have one single financial negative facing it. Anyone think that'll occur again during our lifetimes yet everyone wants to run at concessions. The lack of self education and research of one's company and industry is the demise. Very very sad. I'm sure Parker and the boys will have a great Christmas with a nice little bonus coming. Not a single person who voted for concessions should be upset about that. Hopefully APA will not cave to this team for a sub par contract.