Originally Posted by
djrogs03
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The arbitrator is out of the picture now, we get 4 hour min day + PBS credit if we agree to it...per the union conference call
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80%of the extra credit you see in the data for ADTG we received went to reserve FO's who didn't break garuntee, this is data the company would not provide, but in our union conference call earlier this week it was provided by our union who did all the math, I still don't know why this is being debated
ADTG helps out 5% of the pilots here, if we went to four hour min plus PBS credit, the company would have to staff an additional 10 to 20 pilots, The company wants us to have ADTG because it saves them a ton of money, they were the ones who came up with this in the beginning
I also vote to ditch ADTG. I experienced both reserve and a bottom line on ADTG. Out of 3 months on reserve ADTG only got me over min guarantee once. Then the first bottom line I got had 4 (yes 4) 30 hr. overnights all built as close as possible to 19 hrs. One was exactly 19. So I worked my butt off the other days we did fly. Under pay for calendar day off those trips would have been worth 23 hrs. That means I either lost 4 days off or about $1180 depending how you want to look at it. Luckily I was able to put several turns on the partial trade board that people picked up. Not gonna lie, that did work well because I lost only minutes of pay to ditch the turns and whoever picked them up got paid at least 4:45 too. This method however is no help when no one picks it up though and there' are never any green days to drop anything. It also works less now since most trips out of my MSP base start by heading out west day 1 and not returning til day 4 or 5 so you can't get rid of any turns. The day trip turns picked up are great for locals looking to add some credit, but what help is that to all our commuter pilots?
In the end I think ADTG helps bottom lineholders, reserves, and pilots living in base, but not nearly as much as we had hoped. Shouldn't seniority mean something though? I don't think we should be working so hard to benefit junior pilots at the expense of senior ones. For those of us on the bottom I know it's hard to swallow, but as don't we all want something to look forward too? Aren't we all going to be moving up the food chain here soon? I had the most to benefit from ADTG, but still don't believe I was better off with it.
My last argument has been said before and I believe it too. If pay for calendar day overnights was repulsive enough to the company to make them resort to underhanded tactics to try and get rid of it, or at least delay it, then that more than anything means it's a good deal for us.