This forum is such a rumor mill it's not even funny. So many people talking out of their ass. Career FO? Are you joking me ? If you think a 4-5 year upgrade is a career a suggest you get a new one. That's what the upgrade is going to be here if you get hired today. It could be 3 years if we hire and get a new contract or it could be longer but jeez the whining is getting annoying. This place is what you make of it and it's different for everyone at a person to person level. There are FOs at RAH getting lines right out of training on the republic side.