Originally Posted by shiznit

So dude got a ban... must've missed all the "infraction worthy" posts.

A LOT of baiting and berating here (including a wife comment, really?) for someone who threw out some rather unconventional concepts.

What I gathered from the pilloried poster:

1. PS is and was a concessionary arrangement in his view.
2. Hard rates are better than at-risk pay that is more easy squandered by management's mis-management.
3. The pilots who go out and crush their yearly pay hours get higher variable pay.
4. He thinks we should consider annuities paid by the company.

1. In some ways PS IS a concession. The oft touted C2K had $0 in PS. Pretty sure the NWA 1998 agreement didn't have PS either.

It IS a valuable tool (to a point) to motivate employees, but to have it garner as much of our total yearly pay as it's trending going forward is risky, IMO.

With ALL other contractual aspects remaining constant, given the choice between an additional:
A) $30k in Mid-Feb 2015, when earned beginning in Jan 2014,
OR
B) $2000/mo every month in 2014 and $6k in mid-Feb. 2015,

Which would you choose?

2. For every dollar in PS, it stays constant every year, and iflation eats away at it's purchasing power. Every dollar you move to the pay rates get compounded every year by subsequent raises and work rule enhancements. Also see the question above, IMO, money now is better than that same money later.

3. I think (I could have it backwards) guy was saying "stop rewarding the flying hookers", i.e. if we aren't going to change size of the PS dollar pool to fixed rates, then we should consider flattening the payout to all pilots more equally. I don't have much of an opinion although for me personally it probably works about the same either way; maybe not so for others.

4. Everyone can make that choice for themselves every year with the current payout. I don't really want my money tied up in an annuity, I'd rather investment dollars build wealth now and use that to generate income later. (everyone has their own investment philosophy, not getting into that discussion, DYODD)

I don't love all his ideas, but offhand dismissal of people when they have other concepts is just as bad. He's been a contrarian for a long time, and critical of many of the things done as a matter of convention. Dude earned his banhammer somehow, "do the crime, do the time" but there was some pretty low comments sent his direction. This used to be a more open place, and not as nasty like most other boards. Kinda sad for all of us.

It'd be of benefit for all of us here to start with, "Hmm, not how I'd go about it, but interesting..", rather than "You are terrible and no one should ever do or think that, leave and never post here again".