Originally Posted by C17turtle

Actually, things have just gotten quite a bit better for new guys...no more $40/hr new hire pay ($78?), and group II FO's jumping to $112 in year two. Plus at least there's 2 years LOS credit now. With the upward movement we will see in the next few years I don't see things being that bleak for the middle/bottom of the list. But I'm a glass half full kinda guy...