Wow, you're a piece of work..... serious or troll?
Originally Posted by
NineGturn
I think anyone who has the courage to stand up and try to break the union is a hero.
BS flag #1. Generally a measure of one’s courage and heroics has to do with willingly taking on personal risk and sacrifice. I’m not seeing either one of those things when I look at a spineless, selfish scumbag who simply goes to work while his fellow pilots risk their livelihood and give up income in an attempt to better their circumstances (and those of the scab). Point of order – a scab doesn’t “try to break the union”. That’s management’s goal. The scab is just a willing pawn in that effort.
Originally Posted by
NineGturn
Back then it was different, ALPA was different and the airlines were different. The problems we have today are very different and the union seems more of the cause than the cure.
I’m hardly an ALPA apologist. Our union has screwed the pooch on some pretty big issues, IMO. However, I tend to characterize it as a necessary and imperfect part of our current situation. There are some new challenges, but there are still many of the same old ones as well. What, specifically, do you think is SO different and what, specifically, is ALPA “causing”?
Originally Posted by
NineGturn
Looking back I'm thinking if the unions had been broken back then the industry would be better off today.
In what fantasy world do you come to this conclusion? BS flag #2. You really think that our industry would be as safe and your schedule and W-2 would look anything close to what they are today if that had been left up to the management du jour of the various airlines?
Originally Posted by
NineGturn
As far as forgiveness...whats to forgive now? That was a long time ago in a different reality. People who hold on are living in the past.
You don’t have to hold on to the past to learn from it. Spirit pilots went on strike so, so long ago I can barely remember. 2010, I think it was. Comair went out way, way back in 2001. You think they might be wise to remember who among their group stood by them and can be counted on in a tough situation? In my experience, scabs usually are not defined by a single bad decision in their life. There is usually a pattern. I found them to be deficient in principles, morals, CRM and just about any other skill that requires them to be part of a team effort. I want to know who is like that before I may be forced to fly an airplane with them – so I choose to remember rather than put my head in the sand.
Originally Posted by
NineGturn
It's just a job and we should focus on that rather than this outdated notion that unions are their to protect us.
Good thing spelling and grammar aren’t on the recurrent syllabus at your airline – I don’t think even ALPA would be able to help you keep your job. 
“Just a job” – that requires unique skills and regular maintenance of those skills. Not to mention frequent evaluations of those skills as well as medical fitness for duty. It’s also “just a job” with significant level of responsibility with risk to life and livelihood in the event of error. Not quite the same as many of the “just a jobs” out there, IMO.
So,
If you happened to bust an altitude or get violated for any of the myriad of possible transgressions we might be called out on by the FAA..
If you happened to ding a wingtip taxiing out…
Land hard and fold a gear (was it defective or your fault? I’m sure the company will give you the benefit of the doubt 
)…
RTO and go off the end and break the jet or maybe a few people get hurt in the evac…
Bounce some folks off the ceiling of your aircraft in some unexpected CAT (seatbelt sign off)
If those or any number of other potentially disastrous career threatening events happen, I guess we can all expect you won’t be taking out that little orange card that ALPA gives us that starts with “Call this number immediately if…..” Shoot, you probably burned it already, right?
After all, what kind of protection could a scumbag union like ALPA possibly provide? They don’t do that anymore. You’ll be much better off handling it yourself – just like you would have to do in the non-union utopia you wish for if only someone had busted those damn unions back in the day. Good luck with that. Somehow I think that little card is probably still tucked away somewhere safe just in case…… right?
Last edited by Adlerdriver; 02-05-2015 at 02:13 PM.