Carl, you get the benefit of the doubt since you clearly just want what is best for all DL pilots, but I think that overall DALPA has been a fairly effective advocate...not to foment north v south discord, but you're attacks seem to imply that FNWA Alpa was a "real" union, while DALPA is a weak, ineffectual company schill.... but it seems to me that DALPA has produced far greater contact results over the years, so maybe, just maybe they have been doing something right.