Originally Posted by
Slick111
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He's right. The 6 month upgrade for new hires, without prior 121 experience is now gone. <br />
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That's why newbies should go to Republic, SkyWest, Expressjet, or envoy where the upgrades will come in 7 - 10 years, ....... instead of 2.
Yes, that's sarcasm, for those of you who don't recognize it when you see it.
taking things I say out of context: the upgrade will be 2 years and some change if hired today. A month later, 3 years, and so on. As for the other airlines you just mentioned, well the airlines are cyclical.
Upgrade may be 7 years at Envoy today, but that can drop quickly just like yours did. Envoy did not hire from 3-08 to 3-10, and again from 11-11 to 11-13. That is 3 open years. They also have attrition two to three times greater than PSA, with about 2/3 coming off the top. Envoy is shrinking right now, but they will be in growth in mid 2016, and even more in 2017. Upgrade should be at around 4 years by late 2016. Some someone hired at Envoy this summer could very well be in better shape than someone at PSA. At Endeavor, same thing: you tbink they are investing $80k in FO retention for a few years just to have them leave? No! In a few years Endeavor will be realigned and uograde will be quite decent as well.
It's all in numbers, not magic wands of "you will upgrade in a few months!"