Originally Posted by
GogglesPisano
Name one company that pays their pilots better than DAL, FDX, UPS, or SWA.
Pretty much any foreign airlinee that hires expats. There are first year pilots at foreign airlines making more money than the most senior UPS captain after thirty years, and they're not even flying heavies.
First, quote me the starting salaries at those companies. I think they are all in the $30K to $60K range, which are some of the highest starting salaries in the industry. Again this is regardless of experience or qualifications. Average salaries at the top earning companies like UPS are in the $180K-$190K range. But considering the time it takes to reach that level (15 years or so to captain at UPS) it's not a reasonable career path unless you start working there with low time at less than 30 years old.
On the other hand, if you get hired at UPS or FedEx (or any of the big majors) in your twenties and manage to stay their your entire career it's not a bad deal....but if you get laid off, furloughed etc., you are screwed and have to start over. That's the point.
30-40 years ago, such a career track was very common and it made sense. Today, very very few pilots will get such an opportunity to ride a single seniority system their whole career.
You asked again...
Okay, let's compare pilot pay at DAL, SWA, FDX, UPS with Fortune 500 pilot pay. A perfect petri dish comparing seniority-collective bargaining with "free-market" individualism.
It would take you at least ten to twenty years at such an airline before you broke even with the pay you could get at a descent corporate flight department flying a large business jet. If you are an experienced pilot in your late 40s or so....you're not going to ever get that pay. That is because the seniority system blocks lateral movement of pilots.
And that's just the majors... let's discuss the regionals where so many pilots actually do work (which is why I think these discussions are most relevant to the regional forums). So my answer is the pay at airlines sucks.