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Old 02-15-2015 | 12:05 PM
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sulkair
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Originally Posted by Flymonkey10
Very True...

But, thanks to all on this thread. I did use it to help with the process to get hired. As a "recent hire" the best advice I can give...wait for the other airlines that are hiring.

In the year:
Work on your days off to help out, which I've done a few times,can't get paid for any of it.

Straight pay checks always messed up, and no response from payroll.

Two holiday seasons I've been here the company fails. Third year in a row I'm told.

In my first recurrent recently, the CEO said we were underpaid, but our equity makes us overpaid and should be factored into our compensation. Even though I'm not eligible for equity?

If you get hired anywhere else, the chief pilot fires you.

You get the point. What a disappointment from what I heard Frontier was.

Sorry, but have to agree with the "rotten regional" treatment. Keep your records up to date at other, better places.

Monk
Monk. As an exercise in healthy debate I want to challenge your assertions. Please don't take this to be confrontational. I assure you that isn't my intent. Believe me I've been excoriated on here for complaining, and I didn't like it, so I'm not trying to do that.

Please expound: Are you saying you've actually flown on days off and have never been paid for it?!?!?!? And multiple times? Or do you mean it was VJA but only paid at just strait time? Either way it's bad, but why haven't you visited every stop along your chain of command until properly compensated? I know you shouldn't have to hold their hands to pay you correctly, but certainly you're not saying you're just giving up on getting your money.

As far as the equity. It isn't ours! We weren't here, and didn't make the sacrifices. Granted even as newhires we're grossly underpaid too, and it's unacceptable, but I started thinking of it objectively and this is what I arrived at:

... I rent out a couple homes I've picked up over the years. I'm a very fair Landlord, and often draw less revenue than I know I could if I was a bit more business savvy. That being said, if the rental market suddenly dropped by $500 in one of my markets, and my tenant called me and said: "Hey dude, you need to lower my rent because the market dictates it." I would say. "No problem... Once you fulfill your current lease agreement, we can re-negotiate the rent." I know there is risk he might just leave, but to drop his rent out of the goodness of my heart would be poor business." In the same way, our company isn't going to give us a raise until we negotiate at the proper time when our contract is re-open. Then we will get a GIANT raise! As much as I hate to say it, my detractors were correct to point out to me that "I knew what the pay was when I hired on here."

Every airline struggles during winter storms during the Holidays. Big Deal!!! Calling out previous years is pointless because, again, that was the old Frontier, the Frontier we all know was not viable! This last year I'll chalk it up to the monumental growing pains we're experiencing. I'm choosing not to overreact to this.

So the CP fires you if you get hired somewhere else? Do you know this for a fact? Does he do this in every case? Or was it perhaps one individual who possibly brought it on himself? I have no idea, I'm just asking the question. Please give more detail.

And I'm NOT saying that using F9 as a placeholder isn't a wise strategy, but I AM saying no-one-on-this-earth can predict if leaving F9 for Alaska, or Hawaiian (which some have done recently) or even United, Delta or American, will turn out to be a brilliant move. It may very well prove to be utterly STUPID! I speak more to the intrinsic uncertainty of the whole industry, than calling out any particular airline.

Last edited by sulkair; 02-15-2015 at 12:21 PM.
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