Sulk:

I'm not sure why you're parsing the comments made by Monkey and Jug.

There's not much difference between being fired immediately and being told that your 2 week resignation is effective immediately. It's a slightly more polite way of being fired immediately. I don't think it's much of a stretch to characterize it as being fired immediately. Move on.

As for Monkey's comments, he made the mistake of using a bit of hyperbole and spoke in terms of absolutes. Never say 'never' when trying to be persuasive because somebody will point out that you should have said 'most of the time' or 'many times' in an attempt to discredit you and, hence, your argument.

His points are valid:

1. Payroll is frequently incorrect.

2. Payroll is frequently slow to respond or completely unresponsive to pilot inquiries concerning payroll.

3. It is sometimes a challenge to get paid in unusual situations after you've gone above and beyond to be a team player and help out.

4. Holiday meltdowns ARE very common here. FYI: most of the management has been here for several years, so yes, prior screw ups CAN be pinned on current management and ongoing mismanagement. Our problems today, new business plan notwithstanding, are virtually identical to the problems we've had in the past.

The CEO's mention of our equity stake in the same breath as compensation is absurd. That equity stake was bought and paid for years ago. It is not and can not be considered present day compensation. It hasn't paid a dime and may never pay a dime. The CEO's mention of it during recurrent ground school was an attempt to get the discussion going and to drive a wedge between new hires and the rest of the pilot group. It won't be the last time management will bring it up.

I believe you are suffering the lingering effects management's bs rah-rah speech offered during recurrent ground school. I prescribe a 5 day trip consisting of at least a couple TTN and MKE overnights as a cure for this affliction.