Originally Posted by
skigambia
I'd have to see what improvements in the ASA version of the contract were specifically, but my initial thoughts are a resounding no. Every provision in a contract has a cost associated with it, and the company has a max number that they can live with. Splitting the contract into two forces us to subsidize some of their benefits. Even if we were to get a raise, I would still bet that the ASA side would have a lower cost contract, and that doesn't sit well with me. Our contracts should be scored equally in cost.
Originally Posted by
PeezDog
Agree 100%. Try explaining that to Nevets. If that's what they want, it has to be worth it
So you want the ERJ side to take concessions in order to subsidize the CRJ contract improvements? Of course, this is assuming that management can only improve pilot labor costs slightly in order to give the CRJ side those small improvements. I rather that we get the best of both contracts.
Originally Posted by
Redundant Guy
Wow. A resounding no? They haven't even let any real details out yet have they? And you're already beating your chest. Last thing I heard in lunch was that we would not even be presented anything that didn't have us all on level ground.
We have already subsidized those guys for years. Without the purchase, those guys would have been put through BK and had their contract stripped. So, once again, our company and by default the original ASA crew, have been allowing those clowns to keep getting their extra perks that we haven't been able to gain. All while sustaining huge losses. (I don't care whose fault either. Their management screwed up and the pilots got to continue with gains they probably never would have gotten otherwise.)
So if the MEC thinks they can pull this off and get us on level, make some more money, fix some rules and get us a single list, go for it.
Asa pilots have not subsidized anything on the ERJ side. It was Skywest who bought xjt, not ASA pilots. Furthermore, if you think that UAL would've let 244 ERJs fate's be decided by a judge during liquidation proceedings, I don't know what to tell you. Delta couldn't let that happen to pinnacle.
But I agree with your last sentiment. If grandfathering the ERJ side is the only way for neither side to take a concession, then why are we arguing about it?
Originally Posted by
Wynncore
Does anyone actually care about what is going on now at the train wreck we call XJT anymore? I mean really, who cares anymore? At this point the CRJ pilots with a new hire date past 6/07 have little to no chance of upgrade in 2015 (or 2016 if the CRJ side shrinks), and the ERJ side is losing 60+ airframes this year with zero airframe replacements (as of now). Who cares anymore? Go to work, get paid, accumulate flight time, apply, apply, apply and get out before it is too late.
The ERJ side is getting 15 of Envoy's 145s starting in April.