Wasn't pointing at you directly so I apologize if you took it that way. It is just that many people on this forum seem to Think ALPA holds some large amount of negotiating leverage. I doubt there is much actual negotaitions taking place. It is more like our NC is probably showing actual cost of Living expenses and are making recommendations to the company rather than demands. The company is gonna pay what they decide they are goning to pay.................It is tough to make demands when you have little leverage.