Packrat is 108% spot on. And all his facts from what I see are spot on.

There are no guarantees.....in anything. And none of us will know if we made the right decision(s) until retirement. Be it FedEx, UPS, Delta. There is zero guarantee that any of these companies will exist in 30 years. Zero. Do you think in the 40-50-60-and 70's that PanAm, TWA, Eastern, Braniff....would have ever thought their companies would be completely obliterated? Think about that. Think about it long and hard.

You fight for what you can hope to change. You fight tooth and nail. And then you fight more.

But to EXPECT.....anything....is a Fools payday. Companies DO NOT exist for the benefit of the pilot group.

I too was impacted at UPS by the age 65 rule. 80% of the pilot list across all airlines were affected. At UPS we had the added bonus of guys that roles back to the backseat at age 60, and waited and hoped they'd get a window seat again. Which they did. I and many others lost the captain seat.

Was I bitter? Nope. Didn't like it but I understood. It's hard for ICAO to allow what we wouldn't allow. Yet international pilots could fly in our airspace. The USA didn't have a leg to stand on. Was the intent to make us work until we drop dead therefore not having to pay retirement? Yep. Probably did at some point.

You fight and hopefully prevail. Same with 117 cargo cutout. We all know why we were carved out. Money. Corruption. By two major companies mostly. It's blatant. But what are you going to do? If it eats you up so bad, then You gotta get out of the industry. Or go to a pax carrier. It's that simple. Accept it an live longer.

Turning this into an old vs young with phrases of get out of my seat, three ex wives, etc....is beyond the pale of ridiculous.

Some/many pilots need a reality check.