Originally Posted by
Erdude32
Anyone remember where/when it was written/changed about the NYC overnight hotels/layover times? It used to be greater than 12 hours and you were downtown.... it was changed to 15 hrs for NYC but can't find it anywhere... and the search function on the tables works so "well". Got into a "discussion" yesterday with crew tracking and crew accommodations. Crew accommodations refused to do anything until crew tracking changed our rotation to reflect our new layover time... after a 6 hour sit in Vegas waiting on ATC delays into JFK. Accommodations stated that we had to have a layover less than 13:30 to stay at the Airport, Crew tracking stated it was 12 hours. He went on to say that.... you guys wanted a contract, you negotiated one and it says 12 hours. Boom, end of discussion. Took every ounce of willpower I had not to go off on him. Instead my reply was...OK, I will not extend my duty day... if we go one minute over 14 hours we will do a gate return. It's in my contract.
December 17, 2013
There are a number of hotel changes that will take effect January 1, 2014.
NYC - At JFK we are moving from the troubled Doubletree/Radisson to a brand new property, the Crowne Plaza. Those of you who have frequent short JFK layovers have seen this Crowne Plaza being renovated. It is located next door to the Radisson.
There are three other changes in NYC that will start concurrently with this move, including FAR 117.
First, the cutoff time between short and long layovers will be extended from the current 13:30 free of duty (FOD) to 15:00 FOD. That translates to 16:30 scheduled block to block for domestic flights.
This change was approved due to the long history of complaints from pilots on those layovers that were in that 13:31-15:00 range of FOD times and the long drive to and from Manhattan. The drive made the long layover in downtown a lot shorter.