Originally Posted by
TenYearsGone
Aero and Sulkair,
You two have an awesome and POSITIVE attitude for your airline. Keep it up!!
Just to be clear my positivity is less about Frontier, and more an ongoing effort to think differently about life in general. I was always, and probably still am a glass half empty guy, but I've finally reached the point in life where I realized it just wasn't making things better. So I'm trying something different
Originally Posted by
TenYearsGone
However, please do not set yourself up for an unexpected "gut-punch". Although I am not privy to the happenings at Frontier, I know that ideal, positive and happy employees are the first one to get discouraged and slapped in the face when managers like Franke, Segal or INDIGO start doing their not so friendly work.
No impending gut punch for me. I expect the worse from these businessmen. I hinge nothing of my future, or my current comfort, on their good will. It's up to us, and us alone, to look out for ourselves. Period.
Originally Posted by
TenYearsGone
Keep up your positive attitudes and do not gloat about making 180K/yr as a 320 Captain when the industry is already surpassed that rate, even for FOs. When you gloat, your managers know you are content thus no need to increase and better your work rules and $$. Be positive and enjoy, but dont settle for stale wags. You are worth more than what you are getting.
You'll never hear me gloat about the pittance we make at any longevity or seat! I'm an airline pilot for crying out loud and I've never broken 60K in nearly 12 years! I'm ready to make some damn money! 180K for a top 320 captain is unacceptable But as pointed out earlier, Frontier CA's don't really make that.
American 320: 212 /hr to 256 /hr
Frontier 320: 125 /hr to 167 /hr
Something is utterly wrong with this picture!
I'll also just add the quick upgrade phenomena is a terrible tool in the hands of management. The pay disparity between seats allows a growing airline to offer low pay because pilots calculate their earnings based on a quick upgrade and flock to the place. Hence no pressure on execs to offer competitive wages.
Now in keeping with my split personality here we go...
I really like it here. I just had a PC and the check-airman was incredible. So was my partner, never met either gentleman before. They come in late at night - both made me feel like a million bucks. Class acts 100%. Professional, warm, friendly. It was a truly pleasant experience in as much as a jeopardy event can be. And I learned a ton! I thought to myself... This airline has problems, big ones, but man the pilots here continue to surprise me. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop, but it just never does!
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