Originally Posted by
gloopy
While there is some O&D demand on those routes, the bulk of it are pax transferring to all points everywhere from there. IOW many on those packed planes aren't just going to the city of first landing. They are going to places already served by US airlines and their current partners. See below.
You're right. So what? This is why you have a codeshare. Same reason how Emirates flies to JFK, and their pax connect on JetBlue around the US... you can have American fly into Abu Dhabi, connect with Etihad and have Etihad fly those pax on AA's code around the third world. Again, I fail to see the problem.
Because that would just feed ME3's poaching of our industry because those connections are in many cases siphoned off of routes we or our existing partners already do (or used to do).
US airlines have a very limited South Asia service. Why? They codeshare a lot. Why don't they fly through codeshare to a central point somewhere in the Gulf where they connect with the Gulf carriers to take them in the 5-8 hour circle from here... again, no different than Emirates pax coming to JFK and JetBlue flying them all over the US or wherever JB flies.
And under no circumstances should ME3 be allowed to buy into open skies agreements from other countries. That's just insane for us to allow that.
But it's OK for Boeing, Atlas, Fedex, UPS, Southern, Kalitta, etc. to be financially damaged if we rescind the open skies with UAE/Qatar?
I never suggested to ban them from returning to the USA. They should either pay full tax OR they can renounce (and be hit with a gentle one time exit tax) and live the EK dream as long as they want. Our tax code is a direct pillar of their business model and one of the primary recruitment tools they have. Its time to take a serious look at eliminating it.
Now why should we pay full tax? We don't use US roads, we don't use US services... No other civilized nation taxes on citizenship - only residence.
Also, we don't live EK/EY/QR dreams. Hell, I was an ALPA pilot whose airline shut down after 61 years in operation with literally 4 days notice. Where was that "brotherhood" for us? For example, health insurance would have been very helpful. Brotherly help with basic finances would have been helpful. Ensuring that all of us had first crack at any new jobs at ALPA airlines would have been helpful... United has that checkbox on their application, and do you know what effect it has? ZERO...
But hey... we got the "oh, too bad... we'll send you the ALPA rag for the next year and then ****** off."
So... what should we do, my ALPA brother?
I'll just say this... may you never find yourself in our situation as it happened.
Now that all ALPA airlines are hiring on all cylinders... and you have applications from all kinds of former ALPA pilots flying for ME3, who were unfortunate to get their airlines pulled from underneath them, and how many are getting called? What have you done to help your unfortunate ALPA brothers/sisters who went overseas to come home?
Instead of being an ALPA brother... you would want to take a giant dump on all of us on top of what happened and how we were treated. Class act......... brother.