"So someone can spend 16-18 years at bigbrown and retire with an fo pension. I view the current captain versus fo pension as the secondary B-scale, and it's not very "hidden." I believe the pension should be based on longevity and not the seat."

So UPS has a specific "capt pension" and an "fo pension"? Not something based upon income, age at retirement, and longevity? What would be the difference if you retire at the same age, same length of employment and income, if you had a capt pension as opposed to an fo pension, if you don't mind me asking? If many people are going to be unable to upgrade before retirement, that seems like something the union should negotiate out of the next contract. No delineation between capt/fo pensions.