Old 03-30-2015 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Not going to happen. AAG couldn't reallocate all Envoy's feed in that time frame (next year). The ground operation is branching out to service other carriers and normal turnover there is moderate to high. The flight department is destined for consolidation with another carrier. Envoy will continue steady contraction though before that happens, which doesn't bode well for F/O upgrades and even possibly some very junior captain downgrades (not to include those in NYC who choose downgrade for commuting purposes). The AA flow will go through another hiatus next year as the remainder of AA furloughees return who plan to, but how many is a wild card. There are perhaps 900 who must make that decision and if even 1/3 choose to return, that could take 7-8 months at a steady 40/month.

I think the remainder of the 824 will cross the fence before consolidation (all gone by early 2017), but once consolidation occurs and seniority is them determined, any new flow will mean previous legacy Envoy pilots who had ball-parked their flow to AA based on the "protected pilot" agreement will then have that recalculated to include all pilots at the merged carrier if it is a wholly-owned. If Envoy flight is shrunk to whatever point and then divested to a non wholly-owned regional, all bets are off on flow to AA. At the time of consolidation, Envoy will be a two fleet carrier with no more than 1000 total pilots and likely less. I could see 40 E-175's and 40 E-145's by early-mid 2017 divided between DFW and ORD.
The only problem is that the "protected pilots" agreement it says that is for anyone on Envoy seniority list before 10-11-2011. They can recalculate the hires after that date, not before.

Other than that I think you're right.
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