Originally Posted by
TeamRamRod
I realize that almost everyone has debt that CHOSE this career. Myself included. I never once said it was great, or that we couldn't be better compensated during training. What I did say is that you can budget for 3 months to get thru training pay with minimal damage. I did, and still am, making $700 student loan payments and $150 car payments on top of rent for a house, which my parents don't live in. (not a crash pad as someone mentioned above)
No, I didn't have to go donate blood and semen to eat ramen noodles thru training. Some "huge expenses" people have are by choice. That $50,000 BMW isn't a necessity. Nor is the child support on 4 kids with 3 wives. I never said the training budget is lucrative, but it's doable.
So you were earning less than the amount of your bills during training and don't think that's wrong? I've never met a regional FO that is driving a $50k BMW or has 3 ex-wives with several kids. Most are single and in their 20's and can't afford to go farther into the red for 3 months. (Let alone figure out how to pay for hotels during that time.) They should at least be getting full guarantee after their checkride if they are expected to pay for hotels during OE.
Originally Posted by
TeamRamRod
As far as "comparing" TSA to Delta. That wasn't my intention. Just throwing out one example of a company that doesn't pay for any hotel during training. As someone else stated, apparently Frontier doesn't either. This place turns into the "Let's Bash Trash States!" forum about how subpar EVERYTHING is here compared to other places. All I did was throw out one company that doesn't provide a hotel during training. Until recent, CPZ didn't either, and nobody complained because they got to fly a super cool 175 after they were done!
Use of a false analogy doesn't help your argument. Others did complain about Compass not providing a hotel during training but were not as vocal about it. One thing you need to realize is that all Waterskiers have every right to voice their opinions the moment they became a Waterskier. Just because they have been here less time than you doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid.
Originally Posted by
TeamRamRod
I, like many others, are 100% open to alternative ways of doing things. But I'll be damned if I'm going to do something on line because the guy sitting next to me says "well this is how we did it at XYZ and it worked better, so I'm going to do it this way." I'm not going to get violated flying another airline's SOP because 50% of the flight deck thinks it's a better way to do it. You're exactly right, the CQFOs are a permanent part of TSA, and we welcome them with open arms. But accept the fact that you (not you in particular) are not at ENY, XJT, RAH, or 9E anymore and there may be a different way of doing things now. Under normal and 99% of abnormal operations, the TRANS STATES SOP keeps yours and my ass from getting violated, so we need to follow it. Not XJTs, not ENYs.
Its a pretty serious allegation to say someone is intentionally not following company SOPs as that is considered the same as violating FARs. You should be making a call to Pro Stands (at the very least) and preventing it from happening in the future. PM me and I'll give you the number if you need it. I know the CQFOs from my class are flying the SOPs because that is what we are paid and expected to do. So I'm not sure who you've been flying with that you believe violated SOP. My question is: do you know the difference between technique and SOP?