Originally Posted by
Wiskey Driver
To that I can only say that people are doing what ever it takes to collect a paycheck and that should be evident by the last vote. Now sure you can make that statement as have others that we should just move on but not once have any of you taken a look at the cost. This is the most fractured pilot group in all of the US carriers. That fracture equals no unity and no unity results in poor contracts. This is just the beginning of the Douglas Parker terror of smile and shucks crew news while taking away long standing contractual benefits one by one.
Next up the ghost pay rate group 3 aircraft for the addition of more group 1 and 2 at reduced rates. Sure the company will add more group 4 aircraft but just how many of the lost group 3 pilots will be able to hold them?
Now think how strong we would have been with just east west unity! 5000 pilots all pulling in the same direction. Yeah that broken trust has far reaching implications probably even further than you ever thought.
WD at AWA
Well THAT ship has sailed. Evidently you guys carry a lot of hatred for all the East pilots as evidenced by your fellow "Andreas Lubitz". This coming from one of YOUR West pilot merger committee members. READ IT!
LESSON TO APA AND NEW HIRES: WHO NEEDS UNIONS NOW?
Here is what you're buddy Mitch Vasin has to say to the East pilots while giving US the "finger" (copied from the "other" forum, evidently posted on C and R over at APA forums). Evidently his self-worth is better than everyone else.
Well said Mitch, give the Pickleballers some grief....
Steve-
You are so completely clueless I'm not sure there are enough hours in the day to "help" you, and moreover, I don't think you want "help" as your world simply wouldn't make any sense without the facts you've manufactured to supplant reality. Here are just a few inaccuracies from your first sentence:
1) His name is Eric Ferguson. You spelled his name incorrectly. Sorry, spell check doesn't help with last names.
2) Eric was hired in 2003. I was hired in 2004, along with several 1989 US Air hires who were on furlough (again) from US Airways and happy to have a job.
3) I am a licensed attorney in Arizona. Eric is not an attorney and has never been to law school.
4) I attended an IN-PERSON law school that is fully accredited by the American Bar Association. I graduated 3rd in my class out of 122 students while flying a full schedule, serving as a managing editor of the law review, doing an internship at the Arizona Supreme Court, and working for two years as a law clerk for a large national law firm doing federal litigation. Please feel free to discuss your education, accomplishments, and professional licenses outside aviation.
5) I had no part of forming Leonidas LLC, nor have I ever been a member, principle, or agent of the organization. I have been a financial supporter of theirs from the outset, but that is my only tie.
6) Leonidas LLC is not "for-profit" but, like all litigation funding mechanisms, does not need to go through the expense of becoming an official "non-profit" entity to avoid tax consequences. USAPA is essentially now a litigation funding mechanism, certainly not organized as a non-profit under North Carolina law.
Like I said in my earlier post, I really don't care what alternative universe you choose to live in. This process is going to continue unabated by your ignorance, and there is really not a whole lot you and your buddies can do about it except ####, whine, and make a bunch of background noise.
Also, I stand by my earlier comment about Mark King, and I think "low life" was even pretty generous. I believe you, Mark King, and other similarly minded folks have no value system, as evidenced by the constant contradictory arguments, and DECADES of stabbing each other in the back (in ALPA and even WORSE under USAPA). When the ends justify the means, there are no longer limits to behavior. Moreover, the majority of your actions of the past decade are rooted in greed, ego, anger, and spite; you're incapable of taking any responsibility for your own behavior, and when circumstances aren't to your liking, it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault. When USAPA was formed, you believed we were a bunch of inexperienced, uneducated 25-year-old RJ pilots who could NEVER hold together under the campaign of terror you had in store for us. That was a GRAVE mistake on your part. I know FOR A FACT (NO YOU DON'T) that there were celebrations at USAPA HQ the day the RICO lawsuit was filed, with Lee Seham proudly professing that the RICO suit would put a definitive end to our legal campaign. Six weeks later the RICO lawsuit was dismissed, paid for, and shortly thereafter we brought suit against USAPA. We've had absolutely NO problem funding litigation over the past several years, and will continue to do so for as long as necessary. I firmly believe that there could NEVER be such a campaign on the East; you couldn't even hold it together after forming your own union designed to screw us and using dues monies to do it. I laugh when I think about you guys trying to fundraise for a lawsuit. There would be so many factions and splinter groups your whole effort would fall apart.
If you want to convince yourself that this is about me and a couple of hundred FOs wanting a quick upgrade, think again. If that were the case, our legal campaign would have ended before it ever began, and we would not have the uniformity of support throughout our seniority list. We enjoy that unity here because your despicable actions have offended every single pilot here to the absolute core. We believe you and many of your coworkers are underhanded, filthy, disgusting excuses for human beings, you behavior is inexcusable and reprehensible, and therefore we are prepared to do WHATEVER is necessary to end that era of tyranny. And I also have to say that we could not have done it without loudmouth half-brains like you reminding us what we are up against.
Have a nice day :-)