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Old 04-14-2015 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Im also sure most of Madoff's victims were not stupid. Maybe some smarter than us.
I don't think that's a good analogy. Bernie was a crook, and his victims weren't a collective group presented with the specifics of his "investment" strategy.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
We are people, most will tend to follow. We have a pack rat mentality and will believe what we want to believe.
I disagree. I think we are a group of professional skeptics who trust, but verify. As I've pointed out to Carl, the reps who urged us to vote No made their case. In my council, Steve and Ron listed their heartburn with the TA in clear, point-by-point fashion. The 3rd rep, Dan, was the least strident. He recommended voting Yes.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
I have talked to many that voted for. Most said they trust their reps and there was no need to go through the legal jargon.
I didn't hear that. I understand the sentiment, but disagree with blind trust. My sense was that the pilot's vote was driven by the "big ticket" items, and that most of us found those acceptable.

If the "legal jargon" you mention includes the 3B4 "Me Too" bit that got us an unanticipated pay rate bump, then I don't see it as a serious problem.

There were certainly a couple of areas where Delta has chosen to interpret the contract in a way that wasn't the intent of the Negotiators (what constitutes "verification" in a sick event is the most glaring), but I view them as small issues that we can work around with common sense.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
C2012 was an example of following your leader to the trough.
Good trough…or bad trough? I like where we are, and like my W2. I wouldn't trade places with any of my peers at any other airline. Would you?

Thanks for sticking to the issues. I appreciate it.
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