I don't condone that particular identity game they play, but you and them are slowly turning into opposite sides of the same coin. Arguments for argument's sake are tiresome. Especially when you feign not understanding another person's argument, but aren't coming out with a clean point of your own. All you seem to do, is ask questions, and take issue with every answer you get, without taking ownership of an argument of your own.

Carl's game is clear: he wants to discredit anything ALPA, or certain people within ALPA, do. All you seem to want to do is to discredit Carl, or some other ALPA people. You, PD, Carl, and Jerry are occupying the C2015 thread for that purpose. Isn't that enough?