Originally Posted by scambo1

Assumptions going in:

717s were coming anyway negotiations should only cover pay rates on any new plane...not whether the plane is being bought.

?88 717s would come anyway...and quickly... to overfly RJ routes while still operating the RJs? Capacity purchase agreements weren't real? And RA tooo dumb to have plan B. Wouldn't rehab old jets? Nope, never done that before...

Profit sharing funded "raises" all other increases were inflation adjustments to bankruptcy rates.

?Pilots portion of 125M funded 20% increase in payrates?

The company now does have more planes than at the merger, in numbers. There are significantly fewer of the biggest jets.

?Biggest change in big jets? 747-200s which were toast? Older 767s going. No real replacement available for 757s except 739/321.

Hiring frenzy is at least 80% a result of retirements...compare post merger to current day.

Retirements are just starting. Standby for more hiring.

30 day months account for a 3% manning cut.

? I don't know. Show math please!

DALPA neither demanded or got anything except furlough protections. They only got lucky with a smokey back room promise of growth vis a vis 717s. They caved hard on scope.

?...neither demanded or got anything? This is utter nonsense.

Our gauge is smaller.

?We don't control fleet plan. Lottsa markets upguaged to mainline 717 vs RJ. Shoulda got 76 seaters on mainline... maybe as furlough protection. Some widebodies retireing. 60 on order.

New hires, don't get caught up in what happened before you got here. Whether it is better than the military or your last regional/airline has nothing to do with whether concessions occurred. We have fallen far. It was way better before, do not be afraid to vote it back to how it was and should be.

I'm gonna actually agree. Things aren't as good as they used to be. A lot has happened in my almost 30 year career. Anyone who thinks they'll have a 30 year career with zero changes or adaptations to the business or your contracts is delusional. Its life. Most recently the entire industry went bankrupt. We had to adapt. We've now adapted and C15 needs to be pretty good.

I am sure I have left some things out that were clear concessions in my view. Did some good come? Absolutely. Not nearly enough.