Sorry for the confusion, I was talking about going from a 75hr. cap up to the MEC claimed 'average' 92. hrs being flown now, for the 2,500 pilot positions lost. You are correct, the IOE trip hold-back issue wouldn't be nearly that many, but I'll try to run some napkin math on that now, just to see how many jobs it might cost.

We know Delta is hiring about 100/month. All 100 of those new pilots are going to need IOE. If they are all domestic (and some are going to the ER) they will most likely get an IOE of about 25 hours (might be even more, certainly for the ER it will be). So take the 100 newbs, every month, X 25 block hours = 2,500 block hours of flying held out of the bid packages, every month, which at say 80hrs per line, would = 31.25 lines of flying held back, every month.

And that's JUST for the new hires.

Now, let's add in all the upgrades and seat changing in every category. Look at the A/E out right now. How many IOE events will that create? I don't have it in front of me but it will create a LOT of IOE's.

Going forward, when the new A330's and 350's and A321's start showing up; more IOE trips NOT in the bid packages, more lost positions.

Now throw in lost jobs due to Pay Banding, if the company comes after that, and I'm sure they will.

That all adds up to fewer upgrades required and fewer bodies in every category.

We already got to see what PBS has done for upward progression, or lack of, now that the average pilot is flying 92, vs. 75. That was the -2,500 jobs.

Now add in everything you said about all the JV non-compliance.

Richard wants to run this place as lean as possible, obviously. That's his job.

It would be nice if DALPA would do THEIR JOB and stand up to Richard, to protect OUR JOBS, for once.