Originally Posted by
Carl Spackler
Ohhhh, the BBQ forum. The perfect place to discuss C2012 ramifications.
Hopefully that forum isn't so big that you could find some of those posts you now cite?
Sorry I missed it too. Maybe you could give us a BBQ forum history lesson.
And part of the reason management refers to our contract as cost neutral.
So you arrive at your claim of 30% return by lumping pay rates, retirement and work rules. Got it. What you're missing is the costing sheets where we delineate the cost savings of our concessions. Therein lies the truth behind our cost neutral contract.
As has been thoroughly discussed, profit sharing cannot be costed out in the future, so there was no way for anyone to predict whether it would be a coup de gras, or a coup de crap.
Your facts are selective and incomplete. In other words, agenda driven spin. Why do you do that?
Carl
Hey, I'm not the one that shut down the BBQ forum but at the time it was much more relevant than this place. But here we are.
Without the other sections of true value our W-2 is minimum 30% more than before. How's that? Profit sharing and other pay improvements count. We can't cost out profit sharing into the future so it doesn't count? That sounds like BS to me. So let's covert it all to pay rates up to $5B in profits. Would it count then? Let me guess. No?
Seems you're the selective one. Vacation pay improvements, reserve pay improvements, training pay improvements, 5+15 per day pay improvement, profit sharing. It ALL counts. It doesn't have to be all pay rate improvements. Everyone else knows they're making 30%+ more no matter how you slice it. (That's why they're so protective of their beloved profit sharing. Giddy in fact.)
Seems my facts are much more complete.
Hate to let the sun shine on your rainy day.
But hey, I'll take another 30% in the next contract. I'll take 40%. And I don't really care how they slice it.